Richard Dawkins Had Helen Joyce on His Show

I like to stay informed about what they’re saying about trans people

Tucker Lieberman

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quirky video still of Helen Joyce putting her hand up and looking astonished with the closed caption: that is to save a child’s life so it has to be yeah it has to be death it has to
“Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality” My conversation with Helen Joyce,” YouTube

In April 2021, prominent biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins made an offensive tweet for which he faced consequences. A lot of people recognized it as anti-transgender, while many others tried to defend Dawkins and paint his comment in some other light. At the time, I wrote a long article explaining why it was anti-transgender.

I do not like having been right about this, but he’s since leaned farther into amplifying anti-transgender voices.

This summer of 2023, he started a new podcast, The Poetry of Reality. He dedicated one of his first episodes to a conversation with Helen Joyce, advocacy director of Sex Matters and the author of Trans. The interview was recorded July 26 and uploaded July 29. I avoid giving links to bad videos when possible (it gives them a free SEO boost in search engines), but here you have all the info you need to find it on YouTube.

Below is the breakdown of the video for anyone who would like to understand more about what I mean when I say a conversation is transphobic.

What Happened on the Show

Joyce introduces herself

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