That Transphobic Peterson/Joyce Video

On ‘meat Legos’ and what’s older than trees

Tucker Lieberman
10 min readNov 19, 2022

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Two storks, one awkwardly standing on the other’s shoulders, apparently in a mating posture
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This conversation between Jordan Peterson and Helen Joyce was Episode #287 of The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast on September 12, 2022. It’s 80 minutes, and it’s entirely dedicated to propagating extreme transphobia. Two months later, it’s closing in on 1 million views on YouTube.

[Update: In 2023, YouTube removed the video “for violating YouTube’s Terms of Service.” Previously, I’d linked to the video, from which I’d taken the timestamps. You can still make use of my timestamps if you look up the interview on Apple Podcasts; just fast-forward 40 seconds to find the corresponding spot in the Apple Podcast recording.]

If you’d prefer to hear my analysis in one-eighth of the time it’d take to listen to these people, you can press the “Listen” button at the top of this article.

I admit, however, that I am unable to make their views coherent. Transphobia is not coherent.

Sex Evolved ‘Way Before Trees’?

The first half-hour is nonsensical enough. Peterson and Joyce say that all trans people are narcissists, that we’re miserable because we think only about ourselves instead of about others, that being trans is a “neo-religion,” that trans people are creating a new reality…

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Tucker Lieberman

Editor for Prism & Pen and for Identity Current. Author of the novel "Most Famous Short Film of All Time." tuckerlieberman.com